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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Haruka on Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:04 pm

    Cress is pretty good, but Nocty is unique and almost never used. c;
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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by lotteries on Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:09 pm

    It's not used that much because blissey and cress are being used lol
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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Haruka on Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:17 pm

    It still works though. ;3
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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by lotteries on Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:22 pm

    Kind of xP
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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Haruka on Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:28 pm

    I'm going to get a Blissey and name her Bch. x3


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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by lotteries on Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:30 pm

    good for you

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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Guest on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:19 pm

    this is a set i have never seen

    mixed attacker
    nasty plot
    ice beam
    hp fire/ghost
    brick break
    focus sash/life orb
    252 spe, 32 attack, 220 sp attack
    naive/rash
    mostly just a novelty set but it might actually work because everyone asumes itll be physical
    --the idea here is get in a nasty plot or 2 then attack with with stab ice beam, hp fire is for steels, ghost is just for the hit everything neutrally with the ghost and fighting combo, brick break is mostly to keep bliss from walling and to take out things like ttar and other weavile
    IF you do use hp fire tentacruel walls this set completely
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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by lotteries on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:27 pm

    Frolossus wrote:this is a set i have never seen

    mixed attacker
    nasty plot
    ice beam
    hp fire/ghost
    brick break
    focus sash/life orb
    252 spe, 32 attack, 220 sp attack
    naive/rash
    mostly just a novelty set but it might actually work because everyone asumes itll be physical
    --the idea here is get in a nasty plot or 2 then attack with with stab ice beam, hp fire is for steels, ghost is just for the hit everything neutrally with the ghost and fighting combo, brick break is mostly to keep bliss from walling and to take out things like ttar and other weavile
    IF you do use hp fire tentacruel walls this set completely

    The idea is kinda cool...the only thing better about this set than the other sets though is surprise. Which is always nice to have though ;P
    Nasty Plot once, they switch cause they're like wtf and you nasty plot again xD lol

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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Guest on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:30 pm

    Frolossus wrote:this is a set i have never seen

    mixed attacker
    nasty plot
    ice beam
    hp fire/ghost
    brick break
    focus sash/life orb
    252 spe, 32 attack, 220 sp attack
    naive/rash
    mostly just a novelty set but it might actually work because everyone asumes itll be physical
    --the idea here is get in a nasty plot or 2 then attack with with stab ice beam, hp fire is for steels, ghost is just for the hit everything neutrally with the ghost and fighting combo, brick break is mostly to keep bliss from walling and to take out things like ttar and other weavile
    IF you do use hp fire tentacruel walls this set completely


    I have also never seen this, but it will be a little hard maybe to pull off, Blissy still walls you pretty well.

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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Guest on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:31 pm

    Lemon wrote:
    Frolossus wrote:this is a set i have never seen

    mixed attacker
    nasty plot
    ice beam
    hp fire/ghost
    brick break
    focus sash/life orb
    252 spe, 32 attack, 220 sp attack
    naive/rash
    mostly just a novelty set but it might actually work because everyone asumes itll be physical
    --the idea here is get in a nasty plot or 2 then attack with with stab ice beam, hp fire is for steels, ghost is just for the hit everything neutrally with the ghost and fighting combo, brick break is mostly to keep bliss from walling and to take out things like ttar and other weavile
    IF you do use hp fire tentacruel walls this set completely


    I have also never seen this, but it will be a little hard maybe to pull off, Blissy still walls you pretty well.
    brick break 1-2 hit kos
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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by lotteries on Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:33 pm

    Lemon wrote:
    Frolossus wrote:this is a set i have never seen

    mixed attacker
    nasty plot
    ice beam
    hp fire/ghost
    brick break
    focus sash/life orb
    252 spe, 32 attack, 220 sp attack
    naive/rash
    mostly just a novelty set but it might actually work because everyone asumes itll be physical
    --the idea here is get in a nasty plot or 2 then attack with with stab ice beam, hp fire is for steels, ghost is just for the hit everything neutrally with the ghost and fighting combo, brick break is mostly to keep bliss from walling and to take out things like ttar and other weavile
    IF you do use hp fire tentacruel walls this set completely


    I have also never seen this, but it will be a little hard maybe to pull off, Blissy still walls you pretty well.

    Well no crap you've never seen this o.o
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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Silver on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:01 pm

    Lotteries wrote:
    Silver wrote:I think Cacturne is a pokemon too overlooked. Cacturne is especially pwnfull in Sandstorm with no passive damage(like Stealth Rock) against it. Here's my moveset. A moveset which, with a little research, I've discovered it's only a slight variation of another one out there, but oh well.

    Cacturne@Focus Sash
    Jolly
    252atk/ 252spd/ 6hp
    -Seed Bomb
    -Sucker Punch
    -Swords Dance
    -Thunder Punch

    This set is AWESOME with good prediction. The first thing to do is to Swords Dance. Even with only 1 SD, I've been able to take out Gengars in one shot with Seed Bomb. On enemies you know are going to set up, use Seed Bomb(Assuming you have SD already. If not, use that.) and on enemies you know will attack you, you Sucker Punch them in the face! Thunder Punch is there because Gyrados just love to set up DD on you, so you can just Thunder Punch'em and they'll most likely be OHKO'D. With Stone Edge and Ice Fang being pretty much their only method of bringing you down, Cacturne makes a great Gyrados counter. Also, it makes and awesome Celebi counter if you have anything that can beat it down(besides Sucker Punch, but I've found Celebi rarely use their attacking move).

    How come T-punch is in there? Return or Payback would be good too.

    Any set can be amazing if you predict right. :D
    Taking out gengars with physical moves is hard. o.o'
    And also, anything faster than it pwns it. They attack, you swords dance, they attack again and you die xD

    This set really isn't thought out that much, nor does it seem like it'll do much of anything to anything lol
    What happens when celebi uses HP Fire/Ice against you? You can't budge that thing very much, especially if it sets up. Does recover ring a bell? xD

    But I guess this could be decent if you can get around the horrible speed o.o

    Why Thunder Punch? Well, that's explained in the description. I HAVE, from experience, been able to take out Gengar, so that's not an issue. As for the set, it may not have been thought out much, but it has proven to be very useful in OU and UU. I also don't see much Celebi's with Hidden Power of any type.
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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by lotteries on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:07 pm

    Silver wrote:
    Lotteries wrote:
    Silver wrote:I think Cacturne is a pokemon too overlooked. Cacturne is especially pwnfull in Sandstorm with no passive damage(like Stealth Rock) against it. Here's my moveset. A moveset which, with a little research, I've discovered it's only a slight variation of another one out there, but oh well.

    Cacturne@Focus Sash
    Jolly
    252atk/ 252spd/ 6hp
    -Seed Bomb
    -Sucker Punch
    -Swords Dance
    -Thunder Punch

    This set is AWESOME with good prediction. The first thing to do is to Swords Dance. Even with only 1 SD, I've been able to take out Gengars in one shot with Seed Bomb. On enemies you know are going to set up, use Seed Bomb(Assuming you have SD already. If not, use that.) and on enemies you know will attack you, you Sucker Punch them in the face! Thunder Punch is there because Gyrados just love to set up DD on you, so you can just Thunder Punch'em and they'll most likely be OHKO'D. With Stone Edge and Ice Fang being pretty much their only method of bringing you down, Cacturne makes a great Gyrados counter. Also, it makes and awesome Celebi counter if you have anything that can beat it down(besides Sucker Punch, but I've found Celebi rarely use their attacking move).

    How come T-punch is in there? Return or Payback would be good too.

    Any set can be amazing if you predict right. :D
    Taking out gengars with physical moves is hard. o.o'
    And also, anything faster than it pwns it. They attack, you swords dance, they attack again and you die xD

    This set really isn't thought out that much, nor does it seem like it'll do much of anything to anything lol
    What happens when celebi uses HP Fire/Ice against you? You can't budge that thing very much, especially if it sets up. Does recover ring a bell? xD

    But I guess this could be decent if you can get around the horrible speed o.o

    Why Thunder Punch? Well, that's explained in the description. I HAVE, from experience, been able to take out Gengar, so that's not an issue. As for the set, it may not have been thought out much, but it has proven to be very useful in OU and UU. I also don't see much Celebi's with Hidden Power of any type.
    I know, but payback would cover you more than thunderpunch, in all tiers. (;
    It's not that cacturne is bad, it's just that there are others that are better xD
    I respect your guts to use this pokemon with such confidence though :O
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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Silver on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:12 pm

    Better pokemon? Adam would beg to differ. XD And true, there ARE better pokemon, but anyone can use Salamence. I prefer a surprise attack. ;D

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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Guest on Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:55 pm

    Smeargle Sweep O'DOOM. >=D

    252 attack 252 speed 4 in HP Adamant nature

    Life orb/lum berry will probably work. ;D

    Moves are

    belly drum
    spore
    bullet punch/explosion (If using explosion use jolly nature)
    extremespeed


    Yeah, get the free switch in on something slower, or have lum berry and predict a status move from a wall like blissy. Spore, and then belly drum maximizing your attack. Bullet punch for gengar/frosslass etc. A plus 6 STAB extreme speed plus life or will toast any sweeper that doesn't resist or is not sashed. And can also OHKO most non-physical walls. And if you choose explosion, well, whatever they switch or whatever takes the explosion after a belly drum, will be dead unless sashed. Period. I mean a max HP max defense skarmory is OHKO'd. ;D

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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Guest on Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:58 pm

    brick break 1-2 hit kos



    It must have max attack then. =/
    And the blissy must not have max HP max defense like mine does.

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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Guest on Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:05 pm

    stab exetreme speed hits blissy harder

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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Guest on Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:20 pm

    What if a faster pokemon using a priority move?
    Or what if a poke has a lum berry?
    And what if something /does/ have a sash? xD



    Whole point is late game sweeper. I mean, if the setw as mega uber, it would be OU, and some Japanese kid would pwn us all using it. =/
    I mean, it's not exactly full proof, but funny to pull it off. ;D
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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by lotteries on Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:20 pm

    What if somebody /does/ have a sash? xD
    Or uses a priority move and happens to be faster than you?
    Or has a lum berry?
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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by lotteries on Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:20 pm

    Lemon wrote:What if a faster pokemon using a priority move?
    Or what if a poke has a lum berry?
    And what if something /does/ have a sash? xD



    Whole point is late game sweeper. I mean, if the setw as mega uber, it would be OU, and some Japanese kid would pwn us all using it. =/
    I mean, it's not exactly full proof, but funny to pull it off. ;D

    Anything can be a late game sweep, really xP
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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by lotteries on Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:21 pm

    Okay, so this is a little combo I thought of, and yes, I did think of this myself and it actually does work because it's been tested (to an extent). So if you feel like being creative or wanna try something new against your friend, here is a little two-poke combo you can fit into your team. Only minimal predicting is needed, really.

    Electivire - life orb / motor drive / lonely
    Evs: 252 Atk / 80 SpA / 176 Spe
    - Cross Chop
    - Earthquake
    - Thunderbolt
    - Flamethrower

    Mantine - leftovers / water absorb / calm
    Evs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 6 Spe
    - Toxic
    - Protect
    - Surf
    - Ice beam

    Right off the bat, you should notice that attacking moves here provide epic coverage. Hits everything super-effectively. Except fighting. But that's a cheap shot. ):

    Notice anything else?
    What is Mantine x4 weak to?
    And what does Electivire's ability do?
    Switch, then earthquake those electrics! ):

    Then do whatever.

    And after you've had your fun and a ground type comes in, switch the flying-type Mantine back in. Surf 'em. Ice beam gives more coverage.

    Toxic and protect if necessary.

    Bulk up Electivire, give it expert belt, or add defense EV's for Mantine, if you need to.

    Anyone can use this combo, and I don't care if you steal it. Seriously. xD
    I find this combo really fun to use, and it fits well into almost all teams, not to mention no one will expect it.
    There's no stopping someone from using an electric attack against Mantine...it's so inviting! D;

    So tell me what you think. If you decide to use this, you can comment about it for others if you want. cheers

    OKAY SO MAYBE THIS IS A LOT LIKE THE GYARA/EVIRE COMBO, if there is one. Honest to god, I was not aware of this 0_O


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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Guest on Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:22 pm

    Anything can be a late game sweep, really xP




    Well, take YOUR team for example shall we? After spiritomb, heatran, and gliscor are gone or at like half HP that is game. ;D
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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by lotteries on Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:23 pm

    Lemon wrote:Anything can be a late game sweep, really xP




    Well, take YOUR team for example shall we? After spiritomb, heatran, and gliscor are gone or at like half HP that is game. ;D

    Yeah after the three pokemon that counter it, you can sweep
    Sounds good to me

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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Guest on Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:44 pm

    fire punch and thunder punch hit harder with evire

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    Re: epl moveset helper

    Post by Guest on Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:41 am

    Frolossus wrote:fire punch and thunder punch hit harder with evire
    Not when he's burned or a poke with high defense comes out.

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